Culture News “There is no longer any bridge between the communities”, JDG is worried about the current state of Twitch in France
Published on 22/11/2022 at 13:49
Yesterday, on the sidelines of his traditional Monday live, Frédéric Molas alias le Joueur du Grenier expressed his concern about the fracture between certain communities on Twitch in France.
At the start of his live on Twitch broadcast last night, Fred from Le Joueur du Grenier discussed with his community of a phenomenon that he observes and considers worrying: a fracture that would widen between certain communities on Twitch in France.
“It’s weird and a bit dangerous”
It’s a phenomenon which would be more and more visiblein particular on Twitter: the communities of streamers and streamers on Twitch in France would be more and more separated, even in conflict. In any case, this is what YouTuber and streamer Frédéric Molas, from the channel Attic player, regretted in his live yesterday.
There really is a split on Twitch. There are really communities that no longer mix at all on Twitch, and that, on the other hand, is worrying. It’s been two years since there’s really been a community split happening, and there it’s really very, very marked now.
Where you have, on the one hand, what I will call “the Monday community and the extended Monday community”. That is to say the whole Monday group, to which you will add Ponce, Ultia, Maghla, Alphacast, etc … (…) And on the other, you have the whole KCorp community, Amine and Billy , Gotaga, uh… Squeezie, too, a little less but a little Squeezie nonetheless. Only the community of Stars has a foot on each side.
But it’s really two communities, which have become completely distant… But there is no longer any bridge between the two. And that’s really, really weird, actually. It’s weird and a bit dangerous. Because it leads to, sometimes… The communities, in fact, don’t like each other, and make a mess of themselves. The community, I don’t know, from Amine, Billy or Kamel, who go, like, “yeah, we hate the Ponce community!”, etc… And sometimes it leads to things, where it looks like streamers are pissed off, because communities are actually pissed off!
And where it’s dangerous, in fact sociologically speaking it must be super interesting… It’s often said that streamers influence their communities, and it’s true. But, there is something that is very often overlooked, it is that communities influence each other! That is to say, my community is closely linked with that of Antoine and that of MV, for example. They are the two streamers I share the most stuff with. So our communities are extremely connected. And the problem that is happening is that, as there is no longer a bridge between what I call the extended Monday community, and the community of Kameto, Amine and Billy, Gotaga, etc. … As you can really draw a red line between these two groups, it means that these communities do not influence each other! Two groups that do not influence each other and remain truly isolated from each other.
Small list of streamers and streamers (non-exhaustive) mentioned by Frédéric Molas here:
The “extended” Monday community:
Grenier PlayerAntoine DanielZeratoRAngle DroitBaghera JonesHorty UnderscoreMynthosMisterMV123LunaticPonceUltiaMaghlaAlphacastEtoiles
We could surely add other names like MisterJday, OPCrotte, Clara Doxal, Rivenzi, Jussetain… But these names are not mentioned explicitly, and have not necessarily already participated in “Monday evenings” with them.
On the other side, we can find, among others:
There too, there is obviously a lack of names.
In both “camps”, note all the same that certain communities of streamers seem to bridge the gap quite easily, such as Stars. We can also mention Squeezie, which has such a large and mainstream community that it obviously includes viewers from various streamers and streamers on these lists.
From communities, are we going to clans?
Obviously, this exit from Fred caused a reaction, especially on social media. Opinions were divided. On the one hand, those who also see a separation and regret it, like Fred. On the other hand, those who also notice this separation but find it normal : according to them, the number of streamers growing, Twitch becoming more and more “mainstream”, the number of spectators exploded too. Therefore, as in society in general, we see more and more groups forming. If the formation of groups is not a problem, it actually becomes one when it looks more like “clans”and that the communities are convinced that they are hated by others, and they also begin to hate them in return. There is also a part of people who consider that this separation has always existed just because they don’t play the same games as she is not a problemTherefore.
Nothing new under the sun, this infographic made a year and a half ago already showed that very well. The problem is the need to channel the “ultras” who believe they are in a gang war.https://t.co/PwXNNrJIek
— Yann (@YRozier37) November 21, 2022
It has taken on a larger scale than before and it is not wrong on the bottom, with twitter which has taken over from twitch to express itself when the lives are cut it creates real bubbles which enter validate and mount the head
— Souals (@Sashkerv) November 21, 2022
I don’t see how it’s important to mix personally just don’t want to watch qql who doesn’t make me laugh
if they do something together i will watch
but it doesn’t mean that afterwards I’m going to go on the stream of the other solo I already know that’s not me the target
— Aloonea (@TrnElsa) November 21, 2022
The streamer Kotei, for example, friend of Kamet0 reacted in a thread where he believes that these divisions between communities have always been true, especially compared to the flagship games of the various Twitch channels. He also enjoins Fred to create events to bring streamers together, if he thinks it’s a problem (Le Joueur du Grenier had added in his live to have want to do things with Amine, Billy, Kamel, because they are “super nice”. Proof once again that the problem is the conflict created by certain communitiesnot by the streamers themselves.
Kotei : I react hot, no drama please:
1) I don’t know if this is such a bad thing, it always has been, compared to games etc.
2) Not really in agreement, a year ago with the ZEvent or the different shows there were (Amine’s show on Mario Strikers, Kculture, etc.)
3) If it’s something that bothers JDG that much, let him do things to bring it together rather than just pointing out the problem
4) It’s dangerous to say that communities hate each other (and to give a name to a community, at random “the KCORP”), it’s more that we must avoid
Fred : Of course we have different delusions. Nobody from Kamel wants to see me doing Crusaders Kings for 3 hours and my viewers would go crazy in 5 minutes on an Inox stream. Everyone does their thing, it will work, yes, but in a world where there’s no Twitter.
Because in fact, the next step after “everyone stays in their own corner” is the war of communities, look at the comments under your tweet if you don’t believe me. You still have to pretend not to see anything so as not to realize that something has broken for a year.
And even if it is a toxic and very noisy minority, the fact is that it is enough to fuck a rotten atmosphere. So when I say “rebuilding bridges”, I don’t mean playing Golf Gang together every week.
This means showing the communities that everyone gets along well and that we can do things together, so that everyone puts their finger in the ass and chills a little on this network of hells.
So I see it more as a foot call, in the full clip (because there it lasts 2 minutes but in real life it lasted more like 6-7) we can clearly see that he would like to do stuff with Amine, Billy or even you and he just don’t know how to go about it imo
— KC MiraiPanda (@MiraiPandaYT) November 21, 2022
A fracture that has been growing for a long time, but burst into everyone’s eyes at ZEvent 2021?
This divide between the communities seems to have seen itself very clearly first during the ZEvent 2021. When following the Ultia streamer’s comments on unhealthy behavior in front of Inoxtag’s camera (who had made degrading remarks about one of her guests), the streamer had suffered unprecedented harassment in an event like this. If afterwards the streamer assumed he made a mistake and asked those in his community who may have harassed Ultia to stop, the breakout was beginning to form. Since, the streamer receives very regular waves of harassment on the networks from various people, associated with various communities. Including when it has nothing to do with an event, the latest example being the Eleven All Stars match, hosted by Aminematué. Ultia had no connection to the event, yet she and her friend and colleague Ponce suffered violent harassment during the evening on Twitter.
Under no circumstances are the streamers in question “responsible” for this harassmentbut some “opposing” communities sometimes criticize not doing enough in terms of moderation and therefore of community education. Since ZEvent 2021, several other cases have crystallized these fractures: Ponce and Ultiatherefore, but also ZeratoR who had been accused of racism for the non-presence of certain streamers at the last ZEvent … when some of them actually announced that they declined the invitation, which had been well formulated. On the other side, the streamers like PFUT, regularly accused of harassment and misogyny, crystallize the criticisms of the “opposing camp”. Fortunately, some like Domingo and Squeezie seem to manage to collect communities rarely linked in common shows or events. But of course, the problem of waves of harassment, accusations that answer each otherand in general these “conflicts” between communitiesis the risk that this impacts relationships between streamers too. Even if they take a step back, even if they try not to amalgamate between broadcaster and spectators, it is difficult not to imagine that certain relations will deteriorate in the long term. And when we know their influence on their communitywe can be afraid of what could happen if streamers hated each other, and displayed it!
And you, followers of Twitch news, do you feel a growing gap between the communities of certain streamers?